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Post by Angelo on Dec 4, 2007 6:25:51 GMT -4
This is about 2 different ideas, both about the same subject (More or less).
1st, the general idea of hiding profile information.
I will state this right now, this is not a personal shot against you Roddo, the best description would be a "Work Related Issue", but nonetheless this is something that could very well irk me if it is allowed. Oh, another "state right now", "irk" is the very G rated version of the word(s) I'm wishing to use...
I read Roddo's profile and while there are a few things that popped to mind, there is one general one that irked me pretty bad.
Most of his abilities (I'd go as far as to say 95%) are being completely hidden and are simply being PMed to the Staff.
Honestly, I probably woudln't have had that much of a problem with it, but there it is the simple fact that I had to pick my abilities clean of all discrepencies (SP). Now, I don't mean the clarification stuff, no no, that stuff I'm more than happy to do now so that it doesn't cause problems later. Its the fact that I had to specifically point weaknesses out and even edit in weaknesses to these abilities.
Could Roddo be requested to add weaknesses? Yes, but the difference would be his would be HIDDEN. Mine, at least a few of them, are public view, they're actually pointed out.
I know the whole "Public or not, they still wouldn't know about these weaknesses ICly", but its still a matter of fairness, let alone the subconscious adversion that most people have and the few cheaters there might be around. Plus, I mean, if they are not known ICly anyways, what is the point of hiding it? A "surprise", yeah, but that isn't the best reason ever compared to the above.
Oi, I'm going to leave it at that for now...
My second question.
Would it be possible to make certain areas of the Board Password Protected?
I am asking this so that the Leaders of each Species can talk to one another privately and plot. One for the Captains of Gotei 13, Royal Family, Brotherhood/Alliance, and Seven Council.
I know this might not seem like a "big deal", but as any Espada, Eidolon, or Captain from BoSS could tell you, having one big giant meeting is hard as HELL to pull off lol So maybe an area where a few of us at a time can talk, but still have it be in secret, even if not an official Meeting.
I dont' know, I'm actually iffy on this, but nonetheless it would be kinda nice. If its a no, then no problems *Shrugs* Just a thought lol
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Roddo
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Post by Roddo on Dec 4, 2007 14:11:12 GMT -4
I'm going to add in my little "opinion" if you will on the subject, since it DOES have to do with actions that I myself had chosen to do.
Beforehand i consulted harmony about abilities being hidden, she showed no opposition to the idea so i took the liberty to do it. I believe the people on the board with leadership positions SHOULD actually be hidde, due to the fact that you don't know anything about your opponent until they show you.
I believe those within your affiliation, or at least the higher-ups should be able to know because they should know at least a little about you. But i shouldn't have to brea into SS and have a 3rd seat know what to expect when when i attack him ...
So i kind of propose this : People of leadership positions, should have their abilities hidden to the likes of those outside their affiliation except under certain circumstance.
For example : I shouldn't know a captain's abilities in SS, BUT if he was a 3rd seat when i left SS i should know a bit ... maybe shikai. Or if he was a Vice-cpatain or my Vice-captain i should know a bit more.
For those INSIDE of SS should know his abilities to a certain extent, the captains don't run around in bankai so every member of the Gotei 13 shoudln't know it.
I shoudln't know a quincy can use an ability to shoot a million arrows in one struck as a last resort (Jus an example)
I believe changes like these would make things a lot more interesting, and actually force people to RP based off what they see and not what they knew already. For example, If Angelo abilities revolve around shooting reiatsu beams ... and mine focus around absorbing them. I should RP with em and be arrogant just because i know i am his weakness, and HE shouldn't avoid a fight or argument with me knowing i can beat em.
I think i got it all out, hopefully it's understandable with the examples an all ...
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Post by Sleeps on Dec 4, 2007 14:37:08 GMT -4
Well both to me sound pretty good.
Angelo
The fact the 95% of your profile can't been seen is kinda high, and yet Roddo said Harmony allowed him to do it (well said it was ok) I can't really say anything against it she is the Admin.
But, what about the others before you we were never told about this. (me my self I don't care.
Yea that was F'in hard lol funbut hard ;D
Roddo
I can clearly see where your coming from that is a good Idea but how will that work?
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Post by GoldenKitten on Dec 4, 2007 16:35:43 GMT -4
What Roddo proposed is not a half bad idea and it does make sense. In looking forward it doesn’t seem like something that would be particularly easy to do…but it does make sense. Perhaps a “vault” area could be created, one for each organization that would be password protected and the highest level abilities would be kept within. Then anyone who is say, within two “steps” of the highest positions could receive that password. I don’t suggest a different board for each Squad, Espada or anything since that would be a bit ridiculous and take a ton of room up that I am sure Harm doesn’t want to…sure you could see the other high skills of all the other leaders within that organization but it would serve its purpose of keeping you out of enemies abilities and if your that close to the top I would assume you’re a trustworthy RP’er.
The issue is of course people like myself who have high ranking members in opposing organizations meaning I or someone like me would have access to both. I never plan to abuse such privileges but my point was just to show that to keep all of it secret would be a bit of a pain and covering every situation of availability would be tough. Not to mention friends possibly sharing passwords to see the powers. Just seems hard to enforce.
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Post by Angelo on Dec 4, 2007 16:40:28 GMT -4
Beforehand i consulted harmony about abilities being hidden, she showed no opposition to the idea so i took the liberty to do it. I believe the people on the board with leadership positions SHOULD actually be hidde, due to the fact that you don't know anything about your opponent until they show you. I believe changes like these would make things a lot more interesting, and actually force people to RP based off what they see and not what they knew already. For example, If Angelo abilities revolve around shooting reiatsu beams ... and mine focus around absorbing them. I should RP with em and be arrogant just because i know i am his weakness, and HE shouldn't avoid a fight or argument with me knowing i can beat em. Okay, to the FIRST paragraph: The very last line, VERY last line "due to the fact that you don't know anything about your opponent until they show you." THAT is my point! You shouldn't know anything about your opponent IN CHARACTER, right? So posting the CS up shouldn't be a problem, as whether or not everyone can see your character sheet, they should have NO knowledge about it IC. Second Paragraph: Ummm...How would you know that I shoot energy? You wouldn't KNOW your my weakness anymore than I would.
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Post by GoldenKitten on Dec 4, 2007 16:52:36 GMT -4
You’re living in a perfect world Angelo, a world where people don’t cheat or try to be conniving in any fashion, a world that doesn’t exist. It’s a simple fact, if the information is out there for everyone to see then someone is going to use it to their advantage and trust me, you can do so without being direct about it. Beyond that people often exploit situations, even subconsciously even when they are the straight as an arrow sort…its human nature to use knowledge one has. Hiding this information would ensure that nobody, subconsciously or not took advantage of a situation using knowledge they should not have.
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Post by Roddo on Dec 4, 2007 16:57:00 GMT -4
Second Paragraph: Ummm...How would you know that I shoot energy? You wouldn't KNOW your my weakness anymore than I would. Umm ... Angelo ... it was an example ... My point was ... if YOU SHOT ENERGY, and i knew i absorbed it ... i would welcome a fight IC. And you wouldn't welcome a fight, because subconsciously you knew about my abilities OOC. Eventhough someone doesn't take OOC information and put it into IC, it does affect how they RP. If you knew i had only shikai with 1 ability, your character with bankai will likely fight me MORE than if you i knew i had a uber bankai. Come on Angelo step outside the box and try to understand what i'm saying. I understand why you're making a fuss because of what you had to do.
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Post by Angelo on Dec 4, 2007 17:11:28 GMT -4
Okay, both of you...
Please reread my first post.
NO NO, no, I'll be nice and resay it again here:
I know the whole "Public or not, they still wouldn't know about these weaknesses ICly", but its still a matter of fairness, let alone the subconscious adversion that most people have and the few cheaters there might be around. Plus, I mean, if they are not known ICly anyways, what is the point of hiding it? A "surprise", yeah, but that isn't the best reason ever compared to the above.
So, where is my "perfect world" shit? Huh? Seriously, READ people....I never said that it was perfect or any shit like that, I am asking this so that it is freaking FAIR, and yes, while that is asking for "perfect" shit again, the fact is, it is easy as hell to make this fair, so I'm still going to try.
Everyone has their abilities on display and my abilities were picked clean in front of everyone, I am only asking that it be done to Roddo as well.
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Post by GoldenKitten on Dec 4, 2007 17:25:21 GMT -4
There’s no reason to act so offended, it’s called having a discussion and you are not exactly reading everything we say either as is obvious via your nonchalant dismissal of the points we made. Yes I realize your all ticked off that Roddo has not had to show his abilities while the rest of us have had to up to this point and I admit to an extent it is not fair. But then someone always has to be the first before changes are made and lets be honest, if the powers are hidden this very moment by the time any of us fight which will be weeks likely since we have an RP world to set up most of us will probably have forgotten any real specifics.
In the end though getting angry at each other isn’t going to get anything done, we have all made our points and theres no uses reiterating them over and over. Let us wait till Gahrok and Harmony give us their thoughts before launching into something we will regret.
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Post by Angelo on Dec 4, 2007 17:35:47 GMT -4
1st, yes, I appologize for getting mad, but today has not been good, plus I *hate* it when people assume I'm stupid, and the fact that you didn't read my post thoroughly wasn't going to make me happy either.
2nd, I just rererereread Roddo's post and I finally get it, he was talking OOCly, that's where I got switched, I thought he was talking about being arrogant IC-wise, not OOC.
Dropping it until a Staff gets on, just wanted to clarify that.
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Post by D - Tetsushiga Mai on Dec 4, 2007 18:22:36 GMT -4
Just so you know....
Im with Angelo on this, i probably didnt have to rectify stuff to the extent that Angelo's talking about, but i had to drop a pretty awesome resereccion for the sake of the site even though it was on a par with current abilities seen in bleach and that i hinted at ways of combating it, the admin in question even said they liked the idea altho they would have to ask it to be toned down (and i couldnt see any way of toning it down, so i just changed it but hey)
Its basic RP skills to RP in character, and NOT use stuff that you know OOC as if your character knew it. Whilst it isnt a perfect world, its not that difficult to keep an eye on this, the offended party in question reports it and offender gets kicked (i mean seriously its such a base level of RP) or last few posts get redone, if they spaz out then they DO get kicked.
We should all have our powers on display OOC its only fair, and its public interest as well to see what cool ideas other people can come up with and more often than not generates taking points. D x
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Post by Gahrok on Dec 5, 2007 0:19:28 GMT -4
Alright everyone, I'm sorry to see such a heated discusion already but I understand everyone's concerns. Me and harmony discussed this together on AIM (just so that you ALL know that myself and harmony are in agreement.). Roddo, harmony was under the impression that the abilities you pm'ed to her were ones that you were going to train for and this is why she allowed things. She thought you wanted to keep them hidden so as to surprise people whence you had finished training for them It was a misunderstanding. Unfortunately, though I refuse to take sides in this little argument, I have to make things fair here and you will have to post your abilities on your application like everyone else. Sorry for the misunderstandings everyone. If you have any further concerns Roddo, feel free to pm me, harmony, msg us via messenger or post again in this thread. I'm sorry for the inconvenience this thread may have caused.
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