Vanga
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Post by Vanga on Dec 8, 2007 4:01:36 GMT -4
So, I have a few Bleach characters that I've been wanting to try and piece together. One in particular is the first I'll be working on, but I'm curious and a little confused about the Chain of Equivalency and rank overall.
My first character is a Human/Shinigami who gets his hands on a sword in a way that will be discussed in his history and is trained by a former shinigami (I assume this would be rogue class). Now, my final envisionment of this guy is in his bankai stage, with a slight unique twist, but that comes when I write the profile. However, I'm not sure but I don't think you can start at Bankai, at least not as a rogue shinigami. So do you guys decide the rank from writing proficiency or is it a matter of a certain tier limit I can reach before training?
I've already got a plan to start him at Shikai under tutelage and work him up to my vision of him, but I'm just clearing some of this up before I start writing and all.
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Post by Zhiel on Dec 8, 2007 5:50:41 GMT -4
Uhm... If he's a human who just got a sword out of the blue then he shouldet be able to use shikai or bankai, because it isnt HIS power. If he's a Ichigo rip-off then sure it could work. But theres already a human character with a (stolen) zanpakutou.
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Post by Kazama on Dec 8, 2007 11:26:21 GMT -4
Ichigo is a special case because his father is a Shinigami(I no longer consider this a spoiler since it has been shown in America now) making him a pure blood or "noble" so tat is his case with why he is able to have a Zanpakuto. Ichigo isn't human, he is Shinigami. End. So you would have to start as a Shinigami in the Soul Society and leave or something to go Rogue. And you could be former captain in order to start with Bankai.
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Sleeps
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Post by Sleeps on Dec 8, 2007 12:17:25 GMT -4
Ichigo is a special case because his father is a Shinigami(I no longer consider this a spoiler since it has been shown in America now) making him a pure blood or "noble" so tat is his case with why he is able to have a Zanpakuto. Ichigo isn't human, he is Shinigami. End. Ichigo is half, his mother his a human and his father is a shinigami. That is also a possible reason why her could level him self up to Bankai that fast. From my point of view He has so much power due to the fact he has so much more to lose than a normal shinigami seeing as there already dead and all. END. |
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Post by Gahrok on Dec 8, 2007 20:03:29 GMT -4
This is something I will have to discuss with harmony, we do not usually allow people to gain shikai without having completed the academy, and I doubt bankai without them being captains. The reason being is we cannot have a bunch of rogue shinigami with shikai and bankai, not only does it downplay realism but its also unfair and goes against the atmosphere we are trying to create. So even if you are proficient enough to get a captain class, do not assume you can have a rogue at that level because it is highly unlikely.
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Post by Galihan on Dec 8, 2007 20:25:23 GMT -4
Didn't Kaname Tōsen's Zanpakuto not belong to him originally? In any case I doubt a non-Shinigami would have the ability to use the Shikai, let alone the Bankai of a Zanpakuto that he just found.
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Vanga
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Post by Vanga on Dec 8, 2007 22:24:22 GMT -4
First of all, it's only a ripoff of Ichigo in that it's permenantly in its released state, though this is more like a Zaraki ripoff in that regard since he doesn't know the name of his sword the moment he releases it, but learns it hours-days later.
He isn't a shinigami, he's a human with alot of untapped potential and spiritual power and probably the potential to become a shinigami once he dies, but the sword he finds has its own soul, so it survives independantly of a wielder. There's more story and such involved but I don't want to get into much detail before I write up the profile template, unless it's nessecary for acceptance.
If it was to remain in Shikai than I would either start days after he found it or years after he found it, either starting or in the heat of his training.
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Post by GoldenKitten on Dec 9, 2007 0:31:55 GMT -4
I was not really going to get into this however I feel I have to say something so that I don’t get left out if something is decided here. I have a human who has a zanpaktou who she does not know the name of and who acts independently of her, basically everything your saying. Gahrok and Harmony allowed me to have the zanpaktou but we came to a mutual agreement that it made no sense that a human could use shikai or bankai and so I have been barred from their use (just saying if this was accepted I would feel kind of crapped on if after all that someone got to do the same concept only with no limit on their power). But beyond that I am weary about this whole sword has a soul thing, they all have souls of course but as far as we have seen those souls are intended for a single person and so they will not answer to someone who is not their master (hell mine has tried to kill me), thus even if yours was not necessarily hostile like mine is I still cannot see why it would help your character by staying in unlocked shikai of its own free will.
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Vanga
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Post by Vanga on Dec 9, 2007 0:38:36 GMT -4
Ah, well, makes sense, if something like this has already been done then I shouldn't be able to go beyond it if there was a discussion with administration deciding the limit. It's also a shame because now I feel like I'm just copying someone else's idea.
Anyways, the character I'm talking about is my favorite, followed by my second favorite which is a villain idea of mine, but he's the one I want to play. Since it doesn't seem like he's going to work then there's not much point in me staying. Must be your shortest-lasting member, huh? Lol, anyways, good luck with your forum and all, looks great, just not meeting with my specific rping needs.
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Post by GoldenKitten on Dec 9, 2007 0:41:32 GMT -4
Uh-oh. Hey come back  , I don't want to be blamed for running off a potential member, lol! I was just speaking up in case Gahrok or Harm came back and agreed with you so that my character wouldn't have a limit that no longer seemed to apply. |
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Vanga
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Post by Vanga on Dec 9, 2007 1:26:15 GMT -4
@ GoldenKitten - Lol, I'm sorry if I made you feel like you ran me off. No, I just don't think the site's going to work in general for me. I prefer sites with a bit more creative freedom and while I consider myself a good roleplayer, quite frankly I'm pretty power-hungry. My villain character will likely be more contradictory than the first since he's a sort of unique class of character who starts human, but --- well it's complicated but If this guy doesn't get accepted, he certainly won't. He's meant to be more powerful than my shinigami.
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Post by GoldenKitten on Dec 9, 2007 1:40:52 GMT -4
Oh alright, well good luck to you then. Sorry it didn't work out.
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Post by D - Tetsushiga Mai on Dec 9, 2007 19:50:18 GMT -4
Ichigo is a special case because his father is a Shinigami(I no longer consider this a spoiler since it has been shown in America now) making him a pure blood or "noble" so tat is his case with why he is able to have a Zanpakuto. Ichigo isn't human, he is Shinigami. End. Ichigo is half, his mother his a human and his father is a shinigami. That is also a possible reason why her could level him self up to Bankai that fast. From my point of view He has so much power due to the fact he has so much more to lose than a normal shinigami seeing as there already dead and all. END. There is also a train of thought that believes that his mother was highly spiritually aware/ clairvoyant, and as such she could understand Isshin's background which adds to why he settled with her and why she was also a delectable target for the infamous and relatively powerful Grand Fisher, as well as further justifies Ichigo's expansive abilities. |
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