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Sonido
Dec 11, 2007 16:49:14 GMT -4
Post by Zhiel on Dec 11, 2007 16:49:14 GMT -4
So this topic is entirly about the Arrancar skill sonido.
Now while I dont have a problem with the skill itself I do have a problem with it being only restricted to Arrancar. It is basically the same as shunpo, and while that has been capped to only bankai users any arrancar can use sonido (And not to mention that many of the numeros are often times weaker than up to, fifth seat? shinigami.) In my oppinion if a weak numero can use it atleast adjuchas class hollow should be able to (if they are the kind that focus on speed), and Vasto Lorde should (Definitely) be able to use it.
While I am not really planning on making a Arrancar or Hollow myself I've had the idea for one of Azerins 'hollow' techniques to be Sonido, instead of shunpo, or rather, one of the abilities Kehiel can use when in control later on (after he's grown stronger), but as he is, in essence, a Vasto Lorde he cant use it due to currect restrictions. If you think about it this limits Azerin's hollow abilities, since he'd be able to use something more usefull than sonido (since he can have shunpo for shinigami techniques which he has more spots for), not to mention the fact that he cant use it anyways since he hasnt mastered Kehiel, and wont for a long time, if ever.
Basically, I think its weird that its limited to Arrancar only, but at the same time my reason for bringing it up is for personal interest, so yes I guess my oppinion might be biased, its your take on it.
Discuss, give oppinions, or flame me if you so wish xD
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Kazama
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Sonido
Dec 11, 2007 17:08:34 GMT -4
Post by Kazama on Dec 11, 2007 17:08:34 GMT -4
I do not think there have been any mentions of any Hollow or menos using Sonido. Not to mention accoding too Wikipedia.
By the wording one can easily assume that Sonido is a move and power only to be perfected by an Arrancar which makes sense. Sonido is the Equivilent of Shunpo. A hollow breaking the barrier and becoming more like a shinigami is bound to have more similarities besides just a zanpakuto. therefore it is most likely that Sonido is supposed to be a technique that a Hollow gains while becoming Arrancar since they become more like a shinigami. I think It makes sense that it is restricted to Arrancar only.
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Sonido
Dec 11, 2007 17:51:56 GMT -4
Post by Zhiel on Dec 11, 2007 17:51:56 GMT -4
I do not think there have been any mentions of any Hollow or menos using Sonido. Not to mention accoding too Wikipedia. By the wording one can easily assume that Sonido is a move and power only to be perfected by an Arrancar which makes sense. Sonido is the Equivilent of Shunpo. A hollow breaking the barrier and becoming more like a shinigami is bound to have more similarities besides just a zanpakuto. therefore it is most likely that Sonido is supposed to be a technique that a Hollow gains while becoming Arrancar since they become more like a shinigami. I think It makes sense that it is restricted to Arrancar only. Well While I see your point, there is one place where a seemingly Adjuchas class hollow does a high speed movement infront of Ishida (Pre-arrancar arc), to behind him. Unless Hollow have a high speed movement of their own I dont see what else it could be. Granted it MAY just be part of that hollows power, but I dont see how regeneration and speed goes togheter. I stand by my statement that Atleast Vasto Lorde should have access to it, else they shouldent be considered "above average captain strength". Not to mention that Wikipedia isnt always 100% true, what is written there about most things in Bleach is either theory or limited from what we have seen so far.
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Sonido
Dec 11, 2007 18:43:57 GMT -4
Post by GoldenKitten on Dec 11, 2007 18:43:57 GMT -4
Hmm, not going to get into this real deep. I will just say that not all Hollows should have it but Vasto Lorde should definitely be capable of it or something similar since at one point it was basically said that ten Vasto Lorde would be enough to destroy SS. If that is true then it makes sense that they would be capable of similar movements to a Shinigami/Arrancar.
Beyond that I do think it might be a good idea to limit Sonido to the Espada since Shunpo is limited to shinigami with Bankai, just makes sense.
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Kazama
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Sonido
Dec 11, 2007 19:02:53 GMT -4
Post by Kazama on Dec 11, 2007 19:02:53 GMT -4
Well Aizen has tons of tweaked hollows. So I guess t is up to Harmony and Gahrok.
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Sonido
Dec 11, 2007 19:28:54 GMT -4
Post by D - Tetsushiga Mai on Dec 11, 2007 19:28:54 GMT -4
Slightly on the side, I dont agree that Shunpo should be restricted to Bankai users. Shinigami have four types of combat from, Kidou, Hakuda, Hohou and Zanjutsu. Shunpo comes under the foot arts, and so is part of the Hohou section. It would be a certainty that they teach these four combat forms at the academy or else what else would they teach them? Basically i believe they are taugh Shunpo in the academy, and that most decent Shinigami (certainly Seat 5 plus) would have basic grasp of Shunpo, albeit perhaps not amazing control over it. We also know that there are different levels of shunpo, Yoruichi is hailed as Shunshin, Goddess of Flash, she far outstrips that of even Byakuya, carrying dead weight and after little practice as well as spending so much time in animal form that she is not quite fully used to human form yet performing roughly 300 steps in a second. So if their is a difference in level between high powered characters, surely their can be a difference in level between higher powered characters and lower rank characters. Just my thoughts....
On that note perhaps there should be a thread that explores generally what goes on in the academy and what students are expected/ required to do and are taught...
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Sonido
Dec 11, 2007 20:02:11 GMT -4
Post by Kazama on Dec 11, 2007 20:02:11 GMT -4
The thread is not to discuss Shunpo at all! We are discussing Sonido.
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Sonido
Dec 11, 2007 20:06:15 GMT -4
Post by Galihan on Dec 11, 2007 20:06:15 GMT -4
But why make a whole new topic just to discuss the same ability with a different name?
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Sonido
Dec 11, 2007 20:09:06 GMT -4
Post by D - Tetsushiga Mai on Dec 11, 2007 20:09:06 GMT -4
I think its relevant in the fact that whilst only Arrancar display the ability to use Sonido, most reasonably strength shinigami have at least a basic grasp of shunpo, therefore a) would it not be fair to let at least non arrancar vasto lorde menos have sonido or from the other side b) the canon makes no concessions on equality therefore why should we here.
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Sonido
Dec 11, 2007 20:12:23 GMT -4
Post by Zhiel on Dec 11, 2007 20:12:23 GMT -4
I actualy agree with Dan and Galihan on that one. They do have a point.
Although I asked Gahrok about it and he said it was (for the most part atleast) to make it less overused and so that only the better rp'ers could use it, since its easy to godmode (atleas thats how I interpreted it). But frankly I dont care if its limited to top tier captains even since I'm right now not planning to have Azerin learn it at all, I just think it would be interesting if Kehiel, as a Vasto Lorde, would be able to use this ability when he has taken control of Azerins body.
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Sonido
Dec 12, 2007 0:16:33 GMT -4
Post by GoldenKitten on Dec 12, 2007 0:16:33 GMT -4
I can see both sides of the argument for any of the abilities no matter which name its under or for who (since it is all the same). Thus I will not consent to one side or the other but instead will just say it needs to be evened out since currently the Shinigami seem more limited while the Arrancar are not and more over similar abilities should be available to similar ranks of different species, no matter what the choice between the two presented is.
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