Question of the millenium

[ZR0 C00L]

So I've seen this question countless times and was wondering what everyones thoughts on it are.

[Zhiel]

Aizen

[GoldenKitten]

Chuck Norris

[ZR0 C00L]

GRRRRRRRRRr i f'ing hate chuck norris so bad

[GoldenKitten]

Haha, well I never really did hop on that fad, it just seemed appropriate given that you left it open .

Edit: Also, could you resize that picture? Its distracting for the dimensions to be warped.

[Galihan]

Ya know, honestly, I think that the other option truely takes away from the possiblity of a true debate on whos better: Goku or Superman. Between those two I'd say it'd have to be Goku.

[Gahrok]

Goku makes superman look like a limp noodle of spaghetti on the kitchen floor ready to be ingested by a stray dog.

[GoldenKitten]

For the record if I am going to be serious then I am going to say Superman. He can just stab a large object of doom through Gokus chest while spiky is screaming into the air like he has an epic documentary-worth case of hemorrhoids as he "collects energy" and sees how many times he can make his muscles bulge. Superman laughs at him.

[Gahrok]

Ok so I decided I wouldn’t let GK win this one *Chuckles* and I was bored… and I know that Goku pwns the most face of any character to have ever lived despite his ridiculous power up sequences (which I readily admit to). So I did some research, being a DBZ fan but hardly a Superman one. Here’s what I found from good ole’ wikipedia (disagree and prove me wrong if you’d like).

Superman is:
"faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, and able to leap tall buildings in a single bound"

Goku is: faster then a bullet for sure considering Raditz, a much weaker saiyan caught a bullet in his hands. Also considering he can appear and re-appear 100’s of meters away in less then a second I’d assume he’s a lot faster then superman. He’s strong enough to blow up entire worlds (even when he was a child) and able to fly completely in any direction for as long as he wants.

Superman’s abilities include:

flight, super-strength, invulnerability to non-magical attacks of ordinary force, super-speed, vision powers (including x-ray, heat, telescopic, infra-red, and microscopic vision), super-hearing, and super-breath, which enables him to freeze objects by blowing on them, as well as exert the propulsive force of high-speed winds

Goku’s abilities; Well Goku can also fly, has superhuman strength that I could argue is much stronger then supermans considering the ability to blow up worlds or make crater’s the size of multiple towns from a single attack. He doesn’t have the vision abilities but honestly that is not a direct correlation to strength and even if we were arguing abilities it a small concession and point in the grand scheme of things. Goku’s sense of hearing and vision as well as power sensing are shown to be impeccable on many occasions but it being a specialty of superman’s I will concede that his hearing is perhaps stronger and maybe even his vision. But being able to see objects as they move faster then bullets and react just as fast gives Goku all the advantage he needs in that area. As to the freezing wind it’s a pathetic ability in comparison to even goku’s weakest ability, Kamehameha. He gains by the end of the show abilities in which he could essentially destroy any army on the planet, and multiple planets at a time.

His defensive abilities:

“incredibly tough skin that could be pierced by nothing less than an exploding artillery shell.”

Goku’s: Even in the Freeza Saga goku deflected an energy attack strong enough to blow up the planet of Namek, a little more explosive and powerful then any shell.

Superman’s Weakness:

Superman is most vulnerable to Kryptonite, mineral debris from Krypton transformed into radioactive material by the forces that destroyed the planet. Exposure to Kryptonite radiation nullifies Superman's powers and immobilizes him with pain; prolonged exposure will eventually kill him.

Goku’s: NONE!

[ZR0 C00L]

Ok, figure it's about time for me to weigh in on this, being that I started the topic and all. Being the huge superman fanboy that I am as well as a huge DBZ addict I have had this discussion many times. And yes Gahrok is right in saying that there was a time when Supermans skin could be punctured by an artillery shell, that hasn't been the case for some time. Nowadays Supes can withstand nuclear blasts of over 100 kiloton yield (really big) Has survived being on planets as they blow up without much trouble and can fly almost at the speed of light. Goku can destroy planets with a single blast. This is true, but superman's heat vision could split a planet in half without being at full strength so they can both destroy planets. Goku is nigh invulnerable as well as superman to anything that is not on his level of ability. Another thing that bothers me is that some instances even though i feel that they were used for comedic effect is that Goku when not fighting is completely able to be hurt by a frying pan or a kick in the shin. Superman is always at top strength. The crater thing, well just look at any fight in the comics between superman and someone of comparable stregth and there is tons of damage left in the fights wake. For example more than half the united states was destroyed when Superman fought Doomsday to a draw resulting in his death. And in other story lines,entire galaxies have been damaged because of the efforts of Superman fighting another version of himself. (superman prime) Which brings me back to Goku, the same can be said for him. Although there isnt much evidence to show the impact of his fights on other worlds, im sure those planet killing beams that fly "harmlessly" into outerspace do something to the neighboring systems if not annihilate them completely. And the whole faster than a speeding bullet thing is really outdated, these days superman could be shot at go to the store. pick up the dry cleaning,look in the phone book, murder everyone related to you and then come back and catch it before you saw him move.the problem With superman is because of his inherit good will (thanks alot ma and pa kent) he holds back considerably most of the time unless absolutely necessary. All in all i'd say it'd be too close to call but if i had to pick someone it'd be superman, but either way itd be one hell of a fight

[Gahrok]

Well hearing your evidence and reading further into superman's powers in the latter shows/ comics (which I hadn't heard of) I do see he is quite a lot more powerful then I had expected. Ill concede that there is a small margin that reduces us to opinion and therefore in my opinion, still, it remains Goku but I see the gap as considerably shortened. And with that... I let GK off the hook (aka... he was saved by ZR)..

[GoldenKitten]

Bah, I'd have gotten back to it eventually...just been missing trying to nurse a house full of dieing critters back to life.

Anyhow with all that said my seeming joke comment comes into a new light. After all if the margin of there powers is minimal then it leaves the one who is better prepared in the green. This is similar to what Zets said but more applicable than the frying pan comment. In this case while you could argue that Goku might have a slight advantage in the offensive destruction area when at full strength he has a lower defense rating and also has to get to full strength in the first place, meanwhile even if Superman "holds back" hes still at full power from the very start meaning he could smack Gokus head into a billion pieces before spiky even began to power up.

[Gahrok]

Hmm didn’t want to address the frying pan comment but frankly as it is for comedic affect and only occurs with Bulma, his wife, it has no bearing on his actual power in a real battle so it is completely null and void. So no, there is no lower defense rating, at all. Period. Goku holds back too since without even going super saiyan (he can go up to ss4 now) he’s already at the level in which he can blow up a world on his own.

As far as powering up, he can do so instantly to either super saiyan or saiyan or any level. And frankly, to be at the level of strength superman is at, he doesn’t need to. At Namek and while fighting Raditz and Vegeta for the first time he is already at that level of strength. But that’s besides the point because he can fire instant energy blasts and power up instantly, it is only on those occasions where he does spirit bomb that it takes so long to power up… now that hes a super saiyan such things do not even come into play.

[D - Tetsushiga Mai]

Bulma his wife? lol Gahrok you sure are a comedian... you obviously purposefully got that wrong to trick all the fake DBZ fans out there, cus all of us know his wife is Chi Chi.

They actually DID officially do this. Theres a site called BCBB or something Best Comic Book Battles, and they took a massive poll and votes and arguements and everything. Initially Superman had the upperhand then Goku went SSJ and pwned him good and hard. And that said, he has another three levels on top of that.

However theres a thread over on some other boards which take Goku and compare him to 1950's Supes (they cited mainly that he nearly accidentally destroyed the galaxy by sneezing). Of course you take that, ultimately Goku defeated Omega/Sin Shenron who was the embodiment of all the evil in the universe personfied through the corrupted bodies of the seven dragons that make up the one dragon that is the overiding force behind how the universe works... so he still wins... universe>galaxy.